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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Arrow key problems
Message-Id: <1995Feb1.195111.40191@cc.usu.edu>
Date: 1 Feb 95 19:51:11 MDT
References: <1995Feb1.155717@taz>
Organization: Utah State University
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In article <1995Feb1.155717@taz>, mn01@taz.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
> I have a user with a CompuAdd 325TFX notebook computer. It is running DOS 5,
> Windows 3.1 and has PhoenixBIOS A386 Version 1.01.
>
> I am trying to install MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on it for dial-in use. I have
> encountered a strange problem while trying to get the keyboard mappings correct
> however and am looking for enlightenment from the net.
>
> I want the arrow keys to function as arrow keys, \Kuparr, \Kdnarr, etc. but they
> don't always. I am using the VT320 emulation. The initialization file maps
> many of the other "typical" VT keys.
>
> Kermit senses the notebook as having an 88-key keyboard. If I do a SHOW KEY
> on the up arrow key as the first command, it will report the following:
>
> scan code \328
> Verb: KP8 \KKP8
>
> If I then do another SHOW KEY immediately afterwards, doing nothing else
> in-between, I get the following:
>
> scan code \4424
> Verb: uparr \Kuparr
>
> Similar things will happen if I show the key definition for down arrow, left or
> right. This happens even if I put the proper SET KEY commands in the
> initialization file. It seems that kermit ignores them until I do a SHOW KEY.
> This is causing problems since once our users connect, they need the use of the
> arrow keys. I finally just mapped ALT- some other keys to the arrow functions
> but I really would like to solve the arrow key problems.
>
> The keyboard on the notebook is, naturally, smaller. But, it has 12 function
> keys and does have the 6 keys: Insert, Delete, Home, End, Page Up and Page Down.
>
> The other really weird thing is if I use the DOS commands TYPE file|MORE
>or EDIT
> file before I run kermit, kermit thinks the keyboard is a 101-key keyboard and
> then the arrow keys work fine! But, the user of this notebook won't be doing
> those commands so this isn't a real good solution for him...
----------------
I'm sure it's not Kermit doing this to you but rather the Bios and
possible TSR helpers in the notebook trying to fake a conventional keyboard
from an unconventional one, and not doing very well at it. About all I can
suggest (until someone has better ideas, hint hint) is try again with the
very least number of drivers and TSRs going, then put them back one by one.
You can also try SET KEY OFF to use DOS rather than the BIOS, but some
key mappings won't come through that extra layer of software. At worst you
could in fact do that TYPE | MORE item on something tiny to fix the machine.
Joe D.